clang bang bang bang

Tuesday, March 18th, 2025 03:34 am
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When you think maybe you should give away this small pan you never use, but there's a speck of dirt on it so you wash it. And then you rap your dish-washing-gloved knuckles on it to see how it sounds. And then you keep banging and tapping on it for the next 5 minutes because it sounds so nice and reminds you of certain church bells in Germany, and because you got into a rhythm that is hard to stop. No, I won't give this away. But maybe I should put it somewhere else to remind me it's a music instrument rather than a cooking vessel.
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To reduce my plastic usage, I also wanted to stop buying dish washing liquid in plastic bottles.

To make my own, first I tried dissolving grated bar soap in water. I used Kirk's unscented soap. It dissolved but the resulting liquid didn't foam much when used on dishes, and I had to use a lot of the liquid. When there is no foam, I can't tell if the dishes are getting cleaned or not. Foam is important for that reason if for nothing else.

The next time, I tried the same thing with a different kind of soap. It never dissolved completely and the resulting liquid wasn't very soapy either.

There was a good article I read about how SLS (Sodium Lauryl Sulfate) is used in many liquid soaps for creating foam. It or another article also explained why dissolving bar soap in water doesn't work to make liquid soap. I can't find the link(s) right now. If I do, I'll post them.

Many of the recipes I found for making your own liquid dish soap required various liquid ingredients which themselves come in plastic bottles. This recipe didn't have that problem (it includes vinegar, but vinegar can be obtained in glass bottles):
Homemade Liquid Dish Soap

That recipe and the few others I found all required "washing soda" (sodium carbonate). Arm & Hammer sells it in a box. At Walmart I found the shelf where it should be, but it was sold out. Food Lion had it available for $4.79, 59 cents cheaper than Walmart.

I made the recipe but it didn't turn out well. (I wondered if the vinegar and washing soda cancelled each other out, like happens with baking soda.) It was thin and watery, not soapy. After a couple of days it started gelling into a thick liquid, which was interesting. The soap shreds never completely dissolved. When I shook the liquid to help dissolve the soap better, that made it un-gell and get thin again. Over the next days, the same thing kept happening - it gelled; I shook it; it un-gelled.

The liquid sudsed ok both when gelled and thin, but not as good as regular liquid dish soap. It also had a strong scent similar to laundry detergent powder, which seemed out of place for washing dishes. I felt like I had to rinse the dishes extra well to get all the laundry detergent off them. I added essential oil to the mixture, which helped but never completely masked the detergent scent.

After that failure, I tried using bar soap for washing dishes - simply rubbing my dish sponge over the soap bar to lather it up. First, I used Kirk's "Fresh Scent" soap, which didn't smell right for dishes. Then I tried the unscented version, which still didn't smell right. But at least it lathered well and worked well on grease.

Meliora makes a lemon-scented dish soap bar. I considered buying it to try out, but haven't yet done so. It seems expensive. And has to be bought online.

I ended up using another soap I had, orange-scented. It works well on the dishes and smells fine.

At Qiao's house, I'm using a patchouli scented bar soap. I wasn't sure I'd like its scent for dishes, but was pleasantly surprised that I do. This soap is one of a few I bought from an artisan at a Celtic fest in early 2023. When I first removed its wrapper back then, its scent had an unpleasant component to it which I didn't like at all. I left it to air out in the garage for a long long time. I may have even thrown one or two of the soaps out; the scent seemed that bad to me. But now a year and a half later, it smells nice and works great on dishes.

At my house, the soap is sitting on top of a "Scrub Daddy" sponge on the kitchen counter by the sink. At Qiao's, the soap is on the scrubber side of a scrubber sponge (not the same sponge I use for washing dishes). Both work well to keep the soap dry when I'm not using it.

shampoo bars

Sunday, December 22nd, 2024 03:53 am
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To reduce my plastic usage, I have switched from using liquid shampoo which comes in plastic bottles to using bar shampoo which comes in paper wrapping.

First I tried using my normal bar soap for my hair. (It isn't normal mainstream soap though as I don't use ones that contain tallow.) That works fine for occasional use but leaves my hair feeling quite dry. Then I tried J.R. Liggett's Shampoo Bars, which have worked well. I've been using them since August. I bought 2 bars initially, in different scents. I wash my hair about twice a week, so it's been about 38 times since then, and both bars are still mostly intact. They will last quite a while. I haven't tried the conditioner bars, as I don't use conditioner; never felt I've needed it for my hair.

It took some getting used to. The first few times, I lathered up my hands with soap from the bar and rubbed the lather into my hair. I repeated that a few times to get enough soap in my hair. That left the shampoo bar with hairs sticking to it, which I then had to meticulously remove. Subsequently I found that rubbing the bar in a circular motion on the top of my wet head a few times is all that it takes to get enough soapy lather in my hair. That usually keeps the bar free of hairs too. I then spread the lather through the rest of my hair with my fingers.

The first few times using the shampoo bar, the skin on my fingers puckered up, which was unpleasant. I haven't had that problem since then, so I guess I was just taking longer or using too much of it in the beginning.
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[From last week]

It keeps occurring to me that I have a problem with scope creep in my daily life, along with self control. When I start working on something, it's very hard to convince myself to stop, even when I didn't intend to spend a long time at it and have many other things that I wanted to do. (Not enjoying the work doesn't make a difference, as I like to get unpleasant tasks finished and done with as much or even more so than pleasant tasks.)

One example: I turn off the A/C and open the windows to let some fresh air in the house. It's been hot outside, so they haven't been open in weeks. Now's a good time to do it as no one else is here to be bothered by the heat. One of the windows I open is hard to push up, so it hasn't been open in a much longer time. Its sill is caked in dirt and dust, so I decide to quickly wipe it clean.
Then I decide I may as well clean off the sills of all the other windows too while they are open, even though they aren't as dirty.
Then I decide to vacuum the rug which is full of dog hair, since using the vacuum cleaner makes the air smell unpleasant, so it's good to do it while the windows are open.


Another example: I wanted to do some work in the yard. Around 3pm I heard thunder; rain looked imminent. I quickly went outside to get at least a little bit of work done before it rained. It ended up not raining. I ended up working in the yard for the next 6 hours until it was dark.

washcloths

Monday, July 17th, 2023 12:05 am
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I'm watching an episode of The Wonder Years, S3E4: Blockbusting. In it, Kim tells Dean, "I've heard things are...different at white people's houses. ::whispering:: You know they don't use washcloths in the shower?"

This is the second TV show I've watched recently where Black people have made references to white people not using washcloths.

In the first show, Atlanta (S3E1: Three Slaps), a white couple tell their Black foster kid that they don't use washcloths; that he should just use his hands to wash himself with. When the boy replies, "Even for my butt?", they shrug it off. The white couple were acting weird in other ways (this part of the episode was based on a true story, which I didn't find out till afterwards), so I thought that was just one more weird thing about them. I didn't realize there's a common belief that white people don't use washcloths.

Looking up the topic, it seems the belief may even be true!

Reddit: Does your country use washcloths for washing during a shower?


As for me, I always use a washcloth in the shower, but only for my cleaning my butt and my vulva (I use two different quadrants of the cloth for each.) Afterwards I lather up more soap on the washcloth to get it clean, rinse it, wring the water out, and hang it to dry for the next day. I reuse it for several days, usually until I do laundry.

For washing the rest of my body, I use soap and my hands.

Now, I'm not particularly interested how people wash their overall bodies - whether they use their hands or a washcloth, a sponge, real loofahs, or those mesh pouf/puff/scrunchy things, and whether they use soap, shower gel, or nothing.

But I am really curious about this: How do these people who don't use a washcloth wash their anus and vulvas?
Do they touch their anus with their fingers to wash it, with or without soap?
Do they rub it with a bar of soap, not touching it with their hands?
Do they not touch it with anything at all; do they rely solely on the stream of shower water to clean it?
Do they use a bidet and because of that not feel a need to wash it when in the shower?
Do they use a sponge/loofah/mesh puff to wash it? (The thought of that is almost as outlandish to me as the idea of using my fingers, but would be less surprising.) If so, do they use the same sponge/loofah/mesh pouf for washing the rest of their body too?

I'm probably missing other possible answers. I'll probably get few replies, but want to at least put the question out there. I'll make an anonymous poll question in case anyone doesn't want to reply in the comments.

Poll #29587 How do you wash your ...
This poll is anonymous.
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 3

What do you use to wash your anus and/or vulva, if you don't use a washcloth for it?



Update:
I found this Reddit thread. It is so long that it seems to be never-ending (I haven't reached the end yet), but it is very enlightening!
Do normal people wash between the butt cheeks when showering

From the many comments on that thread, each of the possible answers I listed is what some people do. However, washing it using only one's hands and soap seems to be quite common.
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Metal tongs are also good for cleaning out gutters!

(They allowed me to finish the task even after being horrified to find tons of ants running around in the gutters after I'd pulled out a few handfuls of leaves. They must have built a nest within the decaying leaves and gunk in there. But the tongs would work well on ant-free gutters too. )

The tongs are narrow enough to easily pull crud out of the gutters with them, and they avoid me getting my hands/gloves dirty while doing it.
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I like the short Exercise with Smart Cat segments on PBS that are shown between some children's programs.
I can do that! It's fun, easy, *and* good for me, yay! It gets me up from my chair whenever it comes on.
I have the TV on to drown out the sound of the neighbor dog who is barking.

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I've got a headache but no fever, which isn't unusual for me.
I worked in my yard for several hours today.
The back of my neck is achy. It may be exacerbated by stooping down to pull weeds, which I did Wednesday and today. It was bad enough yesterday that I started considering getting one of those neck braces like the pharmicist lady on the Doc Martin TV series was always wearing. Maybe those things support the head, taking stress off of the neck? Or maybe they prevent you from turning your head... I'll have to read up on it.

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Heard on TV: "The moose is on the loose!" hahah

I tried something out, using dandelions as an artistic tool. Coming soon to a universe near you! Maybe.

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I'm trying to clean off my table. It is taking very long and I'm only making small inroads.
Oh that's right, I wanted to try out the new Wyze sensors that are sitting there in that box.
And I also wanted to buy a raspberry PI to see if that makes the old sensors work more reliably especially as I wasn't able to get their bridge to reconnect after it had a problem last week.

There's the folder with my tax docs. I can put that away now; I've already gotten my tax refunds by direct deposit, as well as this year's stimulus payment too.
There, that is done.

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You know how in some commercials they have the legal stuff spoken very quickly at the end?
You know how, to a native English speaker, Spanish sounds like it is spoken very quickly?

Well, I saw a commercial on a Spanish-language TV channel, and the legal stuff that was spoken at the end of it sounded even more blisteringly fast than the English-language ones.

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A note I wrote on a paper on the table:

"My hands look old.
My skin is dry and textured."

They don't look quite as old to me today as they did then.

Starting in December I went 4 months without any significant menstruation, only minor spotting. It was great. Last month I got a period again. Maybe the note was from the dry period, an unwelcome side effect.

.

On Thursday, I had saved a short audio recording... it was after my laptop microphone hadn't been working, but then it worked again. In it, I said:

"Testing One Two Three... NOW why is it working!!??.. But fine, it's working, right?"

I was idly playing around with that recording. I selected short clips of it and played them back several times in a row. Then I reversed one of those selections ("NOW why...") to see what it sounded like backwards. I did NOT expect it to same the same backwards as it did forwards, but it DID, which blew my mind.

forwards
backwards

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I saw this beginning clip of the Star Trek: Voyager episode "Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy" on TV the other night, and it made me laugh so good! I happened to be laying on the floor while watching it to begin with, so it was really a ROTFLOL moment.



I didn't end up watching the whole episode, as I had to finish up my work, but I need to watch the full thing (again? not sure if I've seen it before) one of these days.

trash picking up

Saturday, February 27th, 2021 06:59 pm
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Those rare times while picking up trash from the street, when I luck out by finding a large empty plastic shopping bag which I can use for picking up more trash, even the bigger more awkward items that don't fit well in the regular plastic grocery bags which I normally (re-)use for picking up trash. (It's so much easier when you have a *big* bag to put things in!)

Yesterday I found an unblemished metal spring in the shape of a sphere, tennis-ball sized. I wonder if it was an ornament, or what it came from.
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I'm trying to go for walks more often. So I've been taking a break from work before sundown, and walking around the neighborhood.

I smell weed while walking past several places. I wonder if it's that obvious to anyone else who walks by too.

There is much litter all over. Much is recyclables; beer cans and soda bottles and glass bottles. Lately, I've noticed more than the usual amount of beer cans in the area around my house too while picking up trash. I'm not sure whether to be mollified that it's not only my intersection where people litter so wantonly, or dismayed by the larger scope of the problem.

I feel like taking trash bags with me and picking up some each day, at least to clean up the places that aren't right in front of people's houses. I've thought about doing that before, but I felt self-conscious about doing it in areas that aren't even near my house, and then I stopped walking.

There's also a difference between walking for walking, and walking to pick up litter, and I'm not sure I want to make that switch. Maybe I ought to do it once or twice a week. Maybe one day to pick up recyclables and one day for other trash, to avoid the number of different bags I'd need to carry.

I might not get more than a couple blocks away from my house before the bags being full.

..

Wearing a face-mask while walking makes me feel more anonymous and less self-conscious, even though I know some of my jackets are quite distinctive. I think it's also less clear to onlookers what sex I am, which also makes me feel more comfortable.

When getting back from my walks, my eyelashes have tiny beads of water on them, from my moist exhaled breath coming out the top of the mask. (I had read that someone else, walking in colder weather with a facemask, had ice or frost form on their eyelashes.)

..

I read something funny earlier, like: "When friends don't call me, I take comfort in knowing that their computers are working well."

hand sanitizers

Sunday, August 23rd, 2020 10:57 pm
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The last few times I used the hand sanitizer that I keep in the car for when I go shopping, it has taken longer to evaporate while rubbing my hands, and it feels tackier while doing so.

Enough of the alcohol in it may have evaporated, that it is no longer very effective. I should replace it. Luckily, hand sanitizer is no longer difficult to come by.

I had bought a non-alcohol one to try out last week. It contains 0.13% benzalkonium chloride as the active ingredient. It smells very similar to an unscented non-toxic cleaner that I use for scrubbing the tub. I always wear rubber gloves when using that tub cleaner. When I smell this scent on my bare hands, I think that my hands aren't supposed to smell like that; that I shouldn't have that chemical on them as it is a strong cleaner. It makes me want to wash my hands to get it off.

The old alcohol one had a very faint pleasant lemony scent. I prefer that.

tp / bidet

Monday, June 15th, 2020 01:27 am
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Today I learned that the "Total Area" listed on packages of toilet paper is the amount for all the rolls together, not the amount per roll. The numbers made a lot more sense once I realized that. I'd been trying to figure out how the 240-sheet rolls could possibly have a bigger area than the same-size 300-sheet rolls... but they didn't; the package just had more rolls in it.

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I'm thinking of getting one of those non-electric toilet bidet attachments. I plan to try it out on a toilet that only I use, which ought to reduce the squick factor a lot for me, but still I don't know.

If any of you has advice on what to look for or what to avoid, please share.

They look so weird to me. Little tubes ejecting and angling upwards. So phallic.

At first I was thinking of trying out a "bidet bottle" instead, and maybe I still will. But even the ones with long spouts must be awkward to use.

dog logic

Saturday, May 23rd, 2020 06:51 pm
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I figured something out today which I had noticed a few times before, but didn't understand.

The little dog doesn't like the vacuum cleaner. When I start vacuuming in a room she is in, she runs out of the room if she can. The big dog, Zorro, doesn't usually seem very bothered. She only moves away when I come very near. But a few times, she has started following me around.

Today as I vacuumed the den, she was in one corner between the sofas. Rather than turning the vacuum off to let her get up and walk past me so I could do that corner, I went the other way to vacuum another room first.

As I was vacuuming that room, she walked in and lay down on the side I hadn't done yet. I had to tell her to move so I could vacuum there. Then as I continued on into the other rooms, she kept following me. Not directly by my side, but keeping a bit of distance.

On days like today, I can tell that she doesn't really like the vacuum cleaner noise - by the way she holds her head and ears and by how tentatively she moves. So why does she follow the vacuum cleaner around instead of staying away? I think she must have been in her "I'm afraid of that noise, let me get close to the humans so they can protect me" mode. Even though the human in this case is the source of the bad noise!
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To get dried-on bits of chewing gum off of shoe sole.

I tried the following but they did not work very well, if at all (using an old toothbrush to scrub them on the gummy parts): rubbing alcohol, blue Windex-type window cleaner, 409 cleaner, peanut butter.

WD-40 was suggested on a few pages, but I didn't have that.

Then I tried a few drops of mineral oil and some baking soda, scrubbed with the toothbrush. Followed by foaming soap to clean it off. That worked fairly well.

If there are still any thick areas of gum that I didn't previously scrape off, a small screwdriver works well, before the above steps.

blown out

Sunday, March 31st, 2019 04:51 pm
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Whenever I change the bag on the vacuum cleaner at Q's house, I wish I had another vacuum cleaner to clean out all the dust from inside it. Shaking it out only helps a little. Today I had the idea of taking it outside and using the leafblower on it. That worked.
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While putting away dishes yesterday, I noticed some odd irregular shaped small spots on one of the Rubbermaid plastic containers (the bottom clear plastic part, not the lid). At first I thought it was food stuck to it, but washing it again, and scratching at the spots with my fingernails made no difference. It seems to be spots etched out of the plastic.

I asked my sister what food she had in the container last; baked apples with oranges, cinnamon and vanilla (hmmm, sounds tasty). So at first I thought that maybe the acid from the apples or oranges had etched the plastic, which was surprising as I'd never known plastic to be eaten away by acidic foods.

But the below thread indicates the spots are most likely from microwaving food in the container, and having the food get so hot that it melts the plastic in those spots. That makes sense, as I never microwave food in plastic containers, but my sister and niece do.

What is this white stuff on my plastic storage container?

The spots on my container look similar to the photo at the top of that page, except mine are on the sides of the container instead of the bottom, and more spread out rather than one big splot. More like the first photo link on this comment. (But neither me nor my sister has been using the dishwasher, so it has to be from microwaving.)

lavender

Tuesday, August 7th, 2018 11:20 pm
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Note to self: Do not wash the purple knit sweater with any light-colored clothes, as it bleeds, a lot.
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How to Clean Coffee & Tea Stains In White Mugs - linked for the comments more than the article. I first tried what one person suggested - making hot cocoa in the mug (I heated chocolate soymilk in the mug using the microwave, and then drank it); that didn't lighten my stains much, if at all. Then I tried the suggestion of using a toothbrush and toothpaste on the stains - that worked wonders. I now have a white mug again.

Miyoko's Smoked VeganMozz - a smoky vegan soft cheese. The texture and flavor don't make me think of "mozzarella" at all (as in the kind of cheese shreds usually put on pizza), and it doesn't get stretchy when melted. But it tastes wonderful, either cold or heated. I just realized today, the flavor reminds me more of what German leberwurst used to taste like, or the vegan pates that come in small metal cans, than cheese. Here is a better photo of what the cheese really looks like. Of course, like most vegan cheeses, it's expensive.
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Struggled with washing machine. Finally got clothes successfully rinsed and spun dry around 2:15am. Hung them up to dry. Decided I need to buy a new washing machine. Went to bed at 2:30am. Had a hard time falling asleep, even though I had been very tired around midnight.

I set my alarm for 9am, but woke up before 8 and couldn't fall back asleep. Got up, washed, dressed.
Dialed in to 2 Skype meetings for work, then drove to work. Uneventful day at the office.
Around 4:30pm, Qiao called to say the dogs had both gotten out of the yard, and he was walking around looking, but couldn't find them. That was unusual, because all the other times they've gotten out, we've found them right away.
So I left work early to help him look. As I was driving up his driveway, Zorro came ambling out of the bushes from the neighbor's yard. Shortly thereafter, Serena was found a few houses away - a kind neighbor had found them both sitting in the street, but had only managed to coax Serena into her yard, for safety.

Then I found the spot were Serena had dug out under the fence, and reinforced it. (Even though there are still many other spots that need reinforcing, which will require at least a couple more boxes of 12" metal stakes (and hopefully not more fine-mesh fencing too)).

Then I found out that Zorro had gotten herself all muddy. So we drove them to my house so I could give them both a "bath" (with hose and bucket of soapy water) quickly before it got dark.

Now it's 8pm, and I shall do 2 more hours of work from home, to make up for leaving work early.

things found

Monday, April 3rd, 2017 09:45 am
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In Facebook, if you send a message to someone who isn't connected to you (not even indirectly), is it possible they won't even be shown the message, depending on their settings? Or in the latter case, would you not even be given the option to send them a message?

Yesterday while picking up trash by the side of the street, I found a purse with a drivers license and other cards still in it. Based on the name and photo on the DL, I found their FB page and sent them a message, but haven't gotten a reply yet, so was wondering.

There was another time I found a DL by the street. That one was without a purse, just lying on the ground, and was bent/damaged looking, so I wasn't sure if it had been thrown away on purpose. I mailed it to the address listed on it anyway, just in case.

Yesterday, there was also a pair of purple shorts in the road (the other road, not near the purse). They looked clean, so I just moved them out of the roadway in case someone comes back for them. There was also a clean white sock, which I figured no one would come for, so I trashed it. Later I realized maybe they were from the same source... maybe someone was returning from a laundromat and dropped a few things. Who knows.

week in review

Sunday, March 26th, 2017 11:38 pm
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Driving into the parking lot at work on Monday, I noticed the low tire pressure warning light on. There was a nail in my tire. I got the hole plugged at the service station nearby, but they recommended getting the tire replaced as the hole was close to the edge. So I the next day, I got the tire replaced at the Toyota dealership. The price seemed reasonable; I was surprised by that. The "advisor" who handled my case was cool... very gender variant looking. At first she struck me as a butch lesbian. Then I wondered, why did I assume that? Maybe he was FTM. Or maybe they were non-binary like me. His/her/their business card was stapled to my receipt. They have a gender neutral name! Later I wondered if they staple their card to everyone's receipt, and if they were as tickled by my gender variance as I was by theirs. And I wondered if something they had jokingly said early on could be considered flirting.

The waiting room at the dealership had many noises. Two TV's on, tuned to different channels. Kids shrieking and crying. Music playing. Vending machines humming. I had brought my work laptop to do some work while waiting, which I did, but the noise was distracting and stressful. Next time, it would be good to bring my noise-cancelling headphones.

The little fig tree didn't react well to the snow we got a couple weeks ago. The leaves withered and dried up. The pink magnolia reacted similarly. I hope they recover.

On the way to work, another company has a row of trees by the street. I saw them pruning some of the larger trees one day. It was after the trees had already sprouted leaves. (They surely didn't expect to trees to sprout so early this year.) Now when I drive by, the ones that were pruned are all bare, while the other ones still have their pretty green leaves. I hope the pruned ones recover too.

Yesterday I washed the dogs.
While I had the hose unfurled, I also washed the green algae and dirt off of one side of the garage.

I went to Best Buy to see if they have any quiet/silent wired mice, as the scrollwheel on my mouse at work is messing up, even after me taking it apart and cleaning out the dust. I didn't see any particularly good ones at Best Buy, so I ordered 2 from Amazon that were specifically advertised as being quiet. Two, because the one looks good and practical, but the other one looks awesome and lights up. And maybe the way the scrollwheel is on the latter, I can turn it further in a single swipe. I'm sure I'll need another mouse anyway, sooner or later.

I replaced the clear glass lampshades on the ceiling fan light fixture in Qiao's den with some translucent/milky alabaster glass ones, to reduce the glare. I also bought 2 colored LED light-bulbs (green and pink - Qiao chose the colors) to put in the 2 sockets which face us when watching TV, to further reduce the glare, as even 40W bulb equivalents up there seem pretty bright. The colored bulbs, even though they are only 3W each!, are still brighter than I expected them to be.

I raked some of the yard. I washed clothes. I vacuumed, and washed dishes and dog collars. I cleaned the tub using 4 different cleaners, and it's still not as clean as I'd like (I wish I had written down how I got it so clean last time). The "tub grip" (gah, they've increased the price by 50%!) that I applied to the floor of the tub to keep it from being slippery is very good in that regards, but it traps more dirt than a smooth surface would. Ecover used to make a tub/tile cleaner that worked very good, but it's not sold here any more. I'm not sure if a similar one I found on Amazon has the same ingredients or not, but I may get it anyway to try. Because I want my darn tub to be spotless! Then again, I read something about using dish washing liquid mixed with vinegar, which I may try first.

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